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As you may be aware, our community has recently reaffirmed its support for identification questions. Relevant previously June 2024 meta discussion post: What does the community want to do with identification questions? This decision has led to several important updates:

  1. The identification close reason has been removed.
  2. Our site tour and help center have been updated to remove references to the ID ban.
  3. Stack Exchange staff have unblacklisted the ID tags.

However, there's one more step we need to take: addressing the previously closed identification questions.

When the ID ban was implemented back in 2018, a moderator mentioned that the mod team asked Stack Exchange staff to automatically close all existing identification questions and apply a historical lock. This lock prevents non-moderator users from voting on (including voting to reopen), flagging, or editing these questions.

  • Closing all existing questions (starting 15 days from now):

We will ask SE for help in automatically closing all existing identification questions and, for the time being, applying a historical lock to them (which makes them unvotable and uneditable by non-moderator users, as well as removing them from normal question lists).

- Napoleon Wilson. "We are discontinuing support for identification questions"

Relevant meta post: Identification Question Cleanup: Closing existing questions.

The moderator also mentioned that they would be "cleaning up the existing [ID] questions." As a result, 3,726 ID questions were mass-deleted during the 2018 ID question cleanup (for example), along with an unknown number of questions deleted after the 2018 cleanup. Relevant meta post: Identification Question Cleanup: Deleting old questions.

Thus we will be deleting all existing identification questions unless they meet all of the following criteria:

  • They have a score of +5 or more.
  • They have at least one answer with a score of +3 or more.

- Napoleon Wilson. "Identification Question Cleanup: Deleting old questions"

Given our community's clear consensus to allow ID questions, I believe it's time to reverse these actions. I'm requesting that we:

  1. Unlock these "historical significance" locked ID questions.
  2. Undelete any ID questions that were previously closed and deleted for being off-topic under the old guidelines.
  3. Reopen the closed ID questions.

Since the initial mass locking, closing, and deleting involved Stack Exchange staff, I'm hoping our moderators will add the tag to this post. This will escalate the issue to SE staff, in line with the process outlined in the Meta Stack Exchange post: "What posts should be escalated to staff using [status-review], and how do I escalate them?"

Keeping these questions locked, closed, and deleted despite our clear community consensus and policy to allow them, will confuse users and send the wrong messages about our site policy.


Note: I initially flagged this post requesting a tag but was declined with the reason: "flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention."

I believed this was precisely the type of post requiring moderator intervention, as only moderators can add the tag. Despite the flag decline, a moderator has since added the tag. Could the moderator team clarify the reasoning behind these actions?

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    @Joachim The current community consensus is at What does the community want to do with identification questions? (It's been featured for 30 days.) Commented Aug 15 at 0:43
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    @Joachim The ID guidelines are at Tips for asking Movie/TV Identification questions Commented Aug 15 at 0:49
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    For transparency, the tag has been unblocked, and I am currently sorting out how to restore all the questions.
    – SpencerG StaffMod
    Commented Sep 13 at 20:09
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    @galacticninja that should not be the case as many one liner question also got closed which only had negative votes and community only closed them.
    – Ankit Sharma Mod
    Commented Nov 6 at 14:07
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    @JNat I would strongly advise to apply this only to the questions that were mass-closed/deleted/locked during the ID ban in '15 for now. There have been myriads of terrible questions that have been closed and deleted over the entire history of this site for various valid reasons. Resurrecting them all injudiciously really sounds like a terrible idea. Commented Nov 6 at 14:09
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    If you end up bringing back the rape fantasy questions in this process, you will have really dropped the ball on this. ;-) Commented Nov 6 at 14:15
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    @JNat I’ve seen several good-quality ID questions get deleted by a moderator even years after the 2018 ID ban, and it doesn’t seem fair to leave them that way. If a question has to be closed again for other reasons, the community can handle that. But it doesn’t seem right to let these valid questions remain deleted just because a single mod chose to delete them. Commented Nov 6 at 16:08
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    @JNat I suggest starting with unlocking the questions closed for being ID questions. That way, the community can vote on which ones to reopen or undelete. The original mass-locking wasn’t consistent with SE's historical lock policy, as I mentioned in my answer, so unlocking is a more fitting first step than undeleting. Commented Nov 6 at 16:15
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    @galacticninja That wasn't what I was saying. If we got questions that would have been perfectly fine without the topic-ban, then yes, they could get reopened. But just undeleting every damn ID question wholesale after the community put in a ton of effort and work to moderate them even before they were banned, seems like a seriously flawed idea. That's why I said, start with the mass-closed/deleted ones for now, then see about the ones asked after the ban. But you won't get around some actual judgement if you don't want to flood the site with shit people spent genuine effort to clean up. Commented Nov 6 at 16:38
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    The idea of "just resurrect everyone and let the community sort everything out yet again at square zero" (which of course noone will actually do anyway) basically trashes years of community work put into maintaining the site. Commented Nov 6 at 16:39
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    But while undeleting and reopening old questions is an option, you also have to live with the fact, that you can't get back every great question asked during the years long ID-ban. That's just how it is. In the same way we haven't gotten rid of all the ID questions when they were banned. Site scope is ultimately a living and developing thing and if someone's question got closed yesterday when it would be on-topic tomorrow, then that's just how the history of the site develops. If they're really interested in it, they might have to ask it again. Commented Nov 6 at 16:43
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    @galacticninja "just because a single mod chose to delete them". You should be thinking twice about what you are saying right now. A mod's vote is final one but it doesn't mean that a single mod chose that. A moderator did as per the site's scope at that time.
    – A J Mod
    Commented Nov 6 at 16:58
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    @Valorum, the terrible idea is bringing back every ID, even those that were just spam or one-liners where the user never showed up again with dozens of downvotes. Your intentions are a bit concerning.
    – Ankit Sharma Mod
    Commented Nov 6 at 17:09
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    @AJ Sure, a moderator acted within the site’s scope at the time, but our community has since reopened and undeleted several questions Napoleon previously closed and deleted, aligning with our current site scope. It’s also worth noting that some recent ID deletions happened even after it was apparent that the community leaned toward keeping ID questions open. Commented Nov 6 at 17:33
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    I'm stepping in here to remind everyone to keep the conversation constructive as we reach a consensus on how to proceed.
    – Bella_Blue StaffMod
    Commented Nov 7 at 19:54

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Keeping previously closed, locked, and deleted identification questions in their current state presents several issues:

  1. We may find ourselves in the awkward position of needing to close new identification questions as duplicates of closed and locked ones. This goes against best practices, as we typically avoid closing questions as duplicates of closed questions, let alone locked ones. For example, we recently had to navigate this issue with the question "Horror show where the protagonist has really nice-tasting blood". While we resolved that particular case by reopening and unlocking the target question, similar situations are bound to crop up if we don't take action on all affected questions.

  2. The current message on locked questions states, "This question and its answers are locked because the question is off-topic but has historical significance." This is no longer true for identification questions, as they are now on-topic. Also, it's a stretch to claim that all 976 (not deleted) and 3,726+ (deleted) closed identification questions truly have historical significance.

  3. The current blanket locking doesn't align with Stack Exchange's policy on permanent "historical significance" locks. According to this policy, such locks should be used sparingly and primarily for questions of exceptional historical or cultural value, and should not be used for any other purpose:

    Permanent locks should almost never be used, with the exception of those imposed by the system itself. There are some exceptions:

    1. An extremely popular question which is now considered inappropriate for the site may be locked for "Historical significance": this alters the appearance of the question, automatically locks all answers as well, and disables flagging completely. This lock should be reserved for cases where a cherished cultural artifact would otherwise be deleted; do not use it for any other purpose.

By unlocking, undeleting, and reopening these questions, we can create a more consistent experience for users and ensure our past content aligns with our current policy. This action would foster a more welcoming environment for those interested in identification questions and prevent potential confusion or frustration for both new and existing users.


Some moderators, in the comments, have suggested taking a selective approach to restoring identification questions rather than the comprehensive restoration outlined in the feature request. However, I believe this approach overlooks several important factors.

Most, if not all, identification questions deleted by a moderator after the 2018 ID questions purge (including several in 2024) were actually good questions with enough detail that would likely receive community support today. In fact, we've already seen evidence of this—our community has successfully reopened and undeleted several previously closed identification questions, doing so based on the questions' merit rather than their age or score. Some of the undeleted questions have even received correct answers; opportunities that would have been permanently lost had the questions remained deleted.

We already have a system in place to handle low-quality content. The Community user's automated cleanup scripts, AKA Roomba, automatically remove questions with zero or negative scores that meet certain criteria. If any problematic posts do slip through, our community can evaluate and close them through the normal question review process.

Given these safeguards, there's little risk in taking a comprehensive approach to restoring these questions. The potential benefit of recovering valuable content far outweighs any temporary moderation overhead we might encounter.

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    Also, unlocking these question will allow us to point users at them as potential duplicates. Why are we trying to re-invent the wheel when we've already identified a thousand movies?
    – Valorum
    Commented Aug 24 at 8:03
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    Unlocking and undeleting also allow new answers, comments, edits, and votes, which are each important for different reasons.
    – Laurel
    Commented Sep 11 at 21:20
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    We don't have tools to undelete and re-open thousands of questions. It took weeks to get the tags re-allowed by StackExchange staff, and undeleting the questions is being worked on. Its not a high priority for the company.
    – iandotkelly Mod
    Commented Oct 10 at 14:28
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    And seriously rather than sniping about deceitful moderators or obstruction please open a meta question asking for all the moderators to step down and fresh elections to be called by SE. I wouldn't be against that. Discussions over deceit in the past is a bit pointless. I have my opinions and while I dislike being called deceitful, its kind of irrelevant. However if people think we are being obstructive now, which I feel is unfair, then I would happily demonstrate that I am not in it for 'power' and step down.
    – iandotkelly Mod
    Commented Oct 10 at 14:42
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    [comments above not in response to galacticninja, but a comment about why this had not been completed yet and whether moderators were obstructing this]
    – iandotkelly Mod
    Commented Oct 11 at 4:02
  • @iandotkelly - Historically, calling for a moderator (or set of moderators) to stand down has proven ineffective everywhere I've seen people doing it.
    – Valorum
    Commented Oct 12 at 18:24
  • That being said, Movies:SE is well (well) overdue for new elections. Two of the mods were elected a decade ago and the most recent was elected half a decade ago. All three standing down and asking to be re-elected would be a powerful way of demonstrating that the moderation team has the support of the current community.
    – Valorum
    Commented Oct 12 at 18:27
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    @Valorum But Richard, on the one hand you say calling for new moderators is ineffective (and by extension the implication I suppose is, that you won't do that then). Yet on the other hand we repeatedly see comments by select few users that the moderators should be replaced or we need new elections, be that direct and honest (like here) or sarcastic and underhanded (as happens, too). That is neither fish nor meat, I'm afraid. I can't continuously complain in comments all the time, yet not want to actually take it into a serious meta discussion with the excuse that "it won't do anything anyway". Commented Oct 12 at 19:00
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    That is merely a recipe for having a constant status quo of complainery and animosity towards the moderation team. It is very much the same vicious circle the ID situation has been trapped in by a select few users over the last years. And it only got broken because uninvolved users took it to meta for being fed up with the conflict it shed across the rest of the site. If that status-quo of anti-moderation sentiment is not intended (there are of course also reasons why someone might want to retain this), at some point the complainery and dissatisfaction has to move out of the comment section. Commented Oct 12 at 19:01
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    @NapoleonWilson - You're assuming that posting a meta is the same as posting a comment. If I post a comment directly addressed to IanDotKelly saying "I think the mod team is well overdue for a change" that's merely an opinion and I'm not expecting others to support or oppose it. If I post it as a meta, I have to expect others will respond and may choose to respond (for example, a moderator may take it personally and decide to victimise me) in ways that I can't really control or foresee.
    – Valorum
    Commented Oct 12 at 19:16
  • @Valorum And that's a bingo. It is a test for the community support of an opinion and a commitment to engaging in that opinion in a serious way. I understand that not everyone might want this opinion to be put to the test in such a way or commit as seriously to such an opinion. But then one also has to live with the fact that nothing ever comes from voicing that opinion in comments. (And if moderators would groundlessly vistimise everyone who annoys them, there would be a lot more suspensions. ;-)) Commented Oct 12 at 19:34
  • @NapoleonWilson - There's also the fact that I'm basically a magnet for polarised drama. People often seem to support and oppose me, rather than necessarily reading my reasoned arguments and making their own damn mind up.
    – Valorum
    Commented Oct 12 at 19:36
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    @Valorum "There's also the fact that I'm basically a magnet for polarised drama. People often seem to support and oppose me, rather than necessarily reading my reasoned arguments and making their own damn mind up." - That is likely true, yes. But that is also the consequence of a strong and outspoken personality. I could say by now it's the same with part of the moderation team, or how I instinctively downvote all MSE posts by SE employees. However, that is also a chosen fate, for the moderators as much as for you. Commented Oct 12 at 19:41
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    I'm also in favor of a new moderator election, but not because I want the current team to step down. Rather, it's because we appear to have just one active moderator doing most of the work. I only see one moderator undeleting, unlocking, and reopening flagged ID/trivia questions, addressing meta posts, and properly handling outdated comment flags. The others seem either inactive or, in some cases, actively working against community consensus by declining valid flags. Commented Oct 13 at 4:48
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    For a site our size, we really need a full team of at least three active moderators to effectively manage the flags/workload and maintain open communication with the community. Commented Oct 13 at 4:49

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